With the advanced creator that Cryptic has, I plan on creating Squixians in STO as well as Champions. While the two do not technically exist in the same universe, I do plan on keeping Champions going and also have an STO account. There is rumor of some CO and STO ties. I’m aware of cross-game chat, but we won’t know the full extent until open beta/release.

Obviously, a lot of superheroes won’t transition. Specifically, what this is about is the race or species and how it exists in the future. There are innate advantages to aliens and demonic. (Yes Demonic, think Pah Wraiths from DS9).

This thread is about creating ties from Champions to STO for aesthetic, roleplaying or just for consistency reasons. Feel free to post anything you feel relevant in creating these ties. It does not need to be canon as this is simply for use and to see how people create these ties between the two games.

Less we not forget "Hodgkins Law of Parallel Planet Development".

I think the biggest advantage I have with the Squixians is that their home world was destroyed and they exist primarily as a flotilla. This means I don't have to worry about upsetting any canon and end up creating a conflict since a group of ships can move about. I admit the idea originally came from Battlestar Galatica but also from the Quarians in Mass Effect. Both of those have the fleets moving all the time which I didn’t like. In the case of the Squixians, I wanted them to be movable, but picking place to stay as long as they can. Kinda like the white trailer trash of the universe. They move their “trailer homes” when they have to, otherwise they just “park” it next to a convenient space station and dump their chemical toilets down the waste disposal.

Just... no. I discourage anybody from using aliens created for Champions in STO without significantly changing them. You can't use the same copy+paste version for it because they're such drastically different universes.

I completely disagree, especially if you designed your Champions character specifically for this. Just what do you know about the STO creator so far that you can so definitely compare the two? Even if you can’t get an exact match, creatures evolve. Hell, look at the Klingons from TOS to VOY. You know how Roddenberry explained this? With Worf saying “We don’t talk about it to outsiders”. Bam! New look, same race.

When I’m able to post pictures, I’ll post the pics of the Squixians from both creators.

If you don't like the idea, that's ok! but this thread isn't for you.

I don't mean you couldn't recreate the races because of editor limitations, it's hardly difficult to make vulcans in Star Trek Online, for example. I mean that roleplay wise, you're going to end up with ridiculous stories trying to fit both universes into one character.

#2069829 Squix CowBlaster wrote:

Hell, look at the Klingons from TOS to VOY. You know how Roddenberry explained this? With Worf saying “We don’t talk about it to outsiders”. Bam! New look, same race.

You probably already know this, but the physical differences between TOS and later Klingons was eventually explained by a plague caused by Klingon attempts to genetically engineer themselves. There were three episodes devoted to the issue, as I recall, and in one of them (in "Enterprise") we actually saw a bony-forehead Klingon transform into a less-makeup-Klingon as the plague took him.

Ending nerd alert.

My issue isn't so much with the Champions crossover but the fact that Squixxians are based on the Grays, and the presence of conspiracy lore is virtually absent in Star Trek. If the Star Trek universe acknowledged the existence of the Grays, they would have been a major race and one of the first encountered. Instead it was the Vulcans, who merely stumbled upon humanity by accident.

Not to mention, Squixxians are short, and while this is not unheard of in Star Trek, the vast majority of sentient species are human in size and shape. I doubt STO will even let you size down a character four feet.

I consulted your Primus entries before remarking, BTW. Good stuff.

#2070224 @redaqua wrote:

Not to mention, Squixxians are short, and while this is not unheard of in Star Trek, the vast majority of sentient species are human in size and shape. I doubt STO will even let you size down a character four feet.

-Cough.-You didn't hear this from me, but you can make characters that barely even reach to the knees of the tallest characters.-Cough-

#2070263 Theik wrote:

-Cough.-You didn't hear this from me, but you can make characters that barely even reach to the knees of the tallest characters.-Cough-

If that is true, then that alone makes me want to play it.

I have my reasons, I tell you!

#2070224 @redaqua wrote:

My issue isn't so much with the Champions crossover but the fact that Squixxians are based on the Grays, and the presence of conspiracy lore is virtually absent in Star Trek.

Star Trek has several references that aliens have been on Earth many times in the past as well as several episodes dedicated to just that. The Area 51 conspiracy, if you watched that DS9 episode, was actually Ferengi's (Quark, Rom and Nog). Also, Guinan was on earth during the 1800’s.

Also, there is the Devidians who preyed on humans from 19th century San Francisco using the cholera epidemic at the time as a cover for their murders.

And, let's not forget the "Guardian of Forever", which Cryptic has already shown several images of, that was often used to "Patrol the past" in TOS. Perhaps the Squixians will take the gate into the past and they are the ones who do all the probing and cow mutilations? We will see!

If you like, I can dig a bit more for other older references.

Edit: Here is a good one I forgot about. the Voth, which was actually native to Earth:

"Based on the remains of Voyager crewmember Hogan, Voth scientist Forra Gegen concluded his long worked-on Distant Origin Theory, stating that the Voth had evolved on Earth. This was later proven by Captain Kathryn Janeway and the Doctor, who traced both species' DNA back to a common ancestor that lived among the dinosaurs."

And to really "muddy the water with races"

"Additionally, the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual stipulates that at least two other species of marine mammals (Pacific bottlenose dolphins and Takaya's whales) serve on board Galaxy-class class starships as either crew or civilian navigation consultants. The presence of dolphins on board has been confirmed in dialog in at least one episode, however their role as crew or consultants is still unknown."

As far as the “Gray” look, check out the Bynar:

Just found this on Memory Alpha. A bit off topic, but it goes with the race/tie reference:

"The term "Cetacean Ops" was only heard in the "background chatter" during the episode. The existence of a comparable facility was canonized in the episode "The Perfect Mate", but it was not mentioned by name in that episode. To date, the facility has never been shown on screen, yet conceptual artwork at Andrew Probert's website suggests that the facility may be featured in Star Trek Online."

Remaking a character across games is something we all do. I have played Pharaoh Ramses since early CoH beta and when my friends talked me into joining them in WoW I made Ramses there as a fighter......BUT he was not THE Pharaoh Ramses, Superhero(tm) magically transported to WoW. He was a bald stiff-backed fighter with a sense of honor and the aura of a kingly manner around him.


I have already planned on naming my STO captain the same as my Khonshuian CO character, Jol'khu Tep, BUT STO Jol is not a alien from a system of NINE DYSON SPHERES because that would not fit in with STO lore as far as I know (Starfleet is still some ways from constructing solar system sized planets right?) Instead Jol is going to be a unknown race that looks exactly human but with some minor changes like Telepathy and Kinesis. They will have NOTHING to do with each other time travel or no.


Champions already has a time table on what the future is going to be like up to the 31st century and I prefer characters that work within the Lore or at least stopping at bending the lore short of breaking .

What I am saying is The Squixians /could/ exist in both universes but they shouldn't be the SAME race or make references to each other ie STO squixians mentioning the Heroic age of earth.

All this of course is meaningless as the squixians are your creation and yours to deal with as you like

The argument isn't that the Squixians shouldn't be in STO.


The argument is that the Universe of Champions and the Universe of STO are very very very different. about as different as they can be without one of them banning the existence of aliens.



Squixians that can conceivably exist in CO are almost impossible to shoe horn into STO and vice versa.


Instead of making one race that just about fits into both, why not make two races, that may or may not have some small number of similarities but are, when it comes down to it entirely different and perfect fits for their respective universes.


Edit: And yes, i remake characters all the time. Haunt is based on a char that i made for a freeform roleplay, that was based on a char i made for shadow run, that became about 4 or 5 different chars i made in D&D, NwN, DAoC, and god knows how many other games, i've been playing variations of the char for almost a decade now, her abilities change, her personality changes but the over all character is always recognisable. Pick any two of them and you might not see the similarities, pick a group of four or five and you will.

Obviously, this is all non-canon fiction. Is anything we say or do considered lore? Will the exploits of our STO characters now be considered lore because of the things we encounter? No. So the background stories, the various regions of space we all come from, to just creative postulating prose we make up to fit the character we want to play. It doesn’t have to match exactly what CBS has on file for Star Trek. If you’d like to research the official canon and allow your story to match, by all means do so.

This is the fine line that separates elitists from everyone else. What we create DOES NOT have to be “Star Trek Law”. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone else was going to create ties between their characters and how they did it. To say “You can’t do that!” is not only shortsighted, but implies that creativity is limited to the elements in the series, movies and books and that’s just not so. Also, trying to impose your knowledge of Star Trek over the next guy by saying “that can’t happen!” is ridiculous as well.

Take this for example, was Loki from “Son of the Mask” the same Loki from the Thor comic books? In theory, yes. He’s from the same mythology. But the universe and medium in which each is encased is different. No one really thinks that Loki from Thor was the EXACT SAME GUY in Son of the Mask (otherwise it would have been a much better movie instead of being one of the worst movies ever created).

Even if you use the same designs and create a whole new race all together, that’s your prerogative. If you have a problem with how people perceptually link their two designs, you can say it’s impossible all you want because it’s all conjecture anyway. It would be better to assist by offering creative input. Maybe you know something the creator didn’t in areas of Star Trek lore that may help them, something like, “While your story is creative, it would be better to set your species around the Dyson Sphere that was created by an anti-Federation alliance from book “Double or Nothing” in the Double Helix series”.

Also, Star Trek universe exists in a single galaxy which is largely unexplored. If the basis of your creation was from another galaxy, then the sky is the limit. Not to mention the fact that most of the galaxy is still unexplored.

So debating if Squixians can or cannot exist in Star Trek lore is moot, because they WILL exist in STO and they do exist in Champions. The same goes for any identical character that you create in both worlds and define as such.

I don't think the debate here is "can you or can't you." Obviously, anyone can make any race they want in STO. Whether it will be viewed as bad taste is a different matter entirely. People have certain ideas in their heads about the Star Trek universe, and I'd be willing to wager that quite a few people aren't going to want Squixians to exist in their STO and will thusly ignore them. Squixians have a very tongue-in-cheek air about them... They'd do better to appear in a cartoon rather than appearing in a universe that is supposed to be based on science and realism. Because let's be frank, no one is going to take a race whose homeworld was destroyed by cow people very seriously in that setting.

#2074163 @Drakenvalt wrote:

I don't think the debate here is "can you or can't you." Obviously, anyone can make any race they want in STO. Whether it will be viewed as bad taste is a different matter entirely. People have certain ideas in their heads about the Star Trek universe, and I'd be willing to wager that quite a few people aren't going to want Squixians to exist in their STO and will thusly ignore them. Squixians have a very tongue-in-cheek air about them... They'd do better to appear in a cartoon rather than appearing in a universe that is supposed to be based on science and realism. Because let's be frank, no one is going to take a race whose homeworld was destroyed by cow people very seriously in that setting.

Oh heavins forbid I create a comedic race about alien probing and cow mutilation in a world of aliens and space travel.
THAT is absurd. /sarcasm

Just cut to the chase. You don't like it because you don't like the idea of any funny races in a universe that you think is serious.

#2074303 Squix CowBlaster wrote:

Just cut to the chase. You don't like it because you don't like the idea of any funny races in a universe that you think is serious.

Got it in one.


Comedy races inserted into serious settings don't do any harm. I meen, look at Jar Jar.



now take a setting that is even more serious (STO) and put in a race thats even more comedic.....




Would Shawshank Redemption have been one of the greatest films of all time if Jim Cary had been walking around in the background pulling funny faces and walking into things?




There is room for comedy in Star Trek. they put it in themselves on occasion. But its subtle, understated, it fits. Shoehorning in a race of Mars Attacks style tongue in cheek cownappers isn't, isn't and doesn't.

#2074303 Squix CowBlaster wrote:

#2074163 @Drakenvalt wrote:

I don't think the debate here is "can you or can't you." Obviously, anyone can make any race they want in STO. Whether it will be viewed as bad taste is a different matter entirely. People have certain ideas in their heads about the Star Trek universe, and I'd be willing to wager that quite a few people aren't going to want Squixians to exist in their STO and will thusly ignore them. Squixians have a very tongue-in-cheek air about them... They'd do better to appear in a cartoon rather than appearing in a universe that is supposed to be based on science and realism. Because let's be frank, no one is going to take a race whose homeworld was destroyed by cow people very seriously in that setting.

Oh heavins forbid I create a comedic race about alien probing and cow mutilation in a world of aliens and space travel.
THAT is absurd. /sarcasm

Just cut to the chase. You don't like it because you don't like the idea of any funny races in a universe that you think is serious.

All I was saying was not to expect them to be taken seriously by many people. Do I think Squixians are a dumb idea? No, quite the contrary. You've developed some pretty interesting and compelling lore for them, I'll admit. Inserting them into a "serious" setting, though, puts them out of their element. It'd be like making Bugs Bunny into an X-Man. Despite whatever lore is written to justify Bugs Bunny's existence in the real world and as an X-Man, it's still Bugs Bunny as an X-Man... Brows will be quirked and lips will be pursed.

And yes, I'm aware of Howard the Duck. As I recall, he wasn't that popular.

It is absolutely within your power to create your Champions aliens as a race in STO.

And I will treat that race with all the seriousness and gravity that "Squix Cowblaster" deserves.

#2074303 Squix CowBlaster wrote:

#2074163 @Drakenvalt wrote:

I don't think the debate here is "can you or can't you." Obviously, anyone can make any race they want in STO. Whether it will be viewed as bad taste is a different matter entirely. People have certain ideas in their heads about the Star Trek universe, and I'd be willing to wager that quite a few people aren't going to want Squixians to exist in their STO and will thusly ignore them. Squixians have a very tongue-in-cheek air about them... They'd do better to appear in a cartoon rather than appearing in a universe that is supposed to be based on science and realism. Because let's be frank, no one is going to take a race whose homeworld was destroyed by cow people very seriously in that setting.

Oh heavins forbid I create a comedic race about alien probing and cow mutilation in a world of aliens and space travel.
THAT is absurd. /sarcasm

Just cut to the chase. You don't like it because you don't like the idea of any funny races in a universe that you think is serious.

Yes that is exactly it, Star Trek has some 'funny' episodes but even they are based in seriousness, even the "Ferengi Episodes" of DS9 had some really great moments of seriousness between the humor.

Your race is cool in CO, it fits well, but no, in Star Trek they would not, it's just a fact of the setting themes and tones.